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This can be a rush transcript of “Fox Information Sunday” on September 26, 2021. This copy will not be in its closing kind and could also be up to date.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR:  I am Chris Wallace.

The disaster on the southern border sparking fierce criticism of the Biden, 

from each the correct and left.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GOV. GREG ABBOTT (R), TEXAS:  The one factor that they’ve proven is an 

incapability of coping with this disaster, candidly, in a manner the place they 

fake it would not even exist. 

WALLACE (voice-over): Photos of 1000’s of individuals camped underneath a bridge 

in squalid circumstances. Now, Homeland Safety says the migrants are gone, 

1000’s launched into the U.S. to await immigration hearings. 

ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS, DHS SECRETARY:  What we do once we see one thing with 

unprecedented is we reply, and reply we did. 

WALLACE:  And an uproar over footage of aggressive therapy of migrants by 

Border Patrol. 

REP. AYANNA PRESSLEY (D-MA):  That is abhorrent. We are able to and we should do 

higher. 

WALLACE:  Pushback from Democrats the president was fast to reply to. 

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  I promise you, these folks 

can pay. There can be penalties. 

WALLACE:  We’ll ask Secretary of Homeland Safety Alejandro Mayorkas what 

is Joe Biden’s immigration coverage and we’ll get response from Texas 

Governor Greg Abbott, who’s been main the cost to tighten management of 

the border. It is a “FOX Information Sunday” unique.

Plus, a measure to keep away from a authorities shutdown and hold the nation from 

going into default faces an important vote tomorrow night time. We’ll ask our 

Sunday panel what’s at stake for the U.S. economic system and the Biden agenda. 

And our “Energy Participant of the Week.” He is on a mission to protect the 

historic battlefield the place his great-great-grandfather fought within the civil 

warfare. 

All, proper now, on “FOX Information Sunday.” 

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WALLACE (on digicam): And howdy once more from FOX Information in. 

Since Joe Biden took workplace, there have been greater than 1 million encounters 

with folks attempting to cross illegally into this nation. However the stunning 

photographs from Del Rio, Texas, this week appeared to crystallize how out of 

management the state of affairs is. 

Hundreds of migrants huddled underneath a bridge in unspeakable circumstances. 

Border Patrol officers on horseback, setting off a firestorm of shock. At 

least 10,000 migrants have been deported again to Haiti or returned to Mexico. 

However 1000’s extra are nonetheless on this nation ready for his or her instances to be 

heard by an immigration choose. 

All of it elevating new questions on President Biden’s immigration coverage. 

In a second, we’ll discuss with the Secretary of Homeland Safety, Alejandro 

Mayorkas, and we’ll get response from the Republican governor of Texas, 

Greg Abbott. 

However first, let’s herald Jeff Paul in Del Rio, on the border with Mexico –

– Jeff. 

JEFF PAUL, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT:  Yeah, Chris, the Worldwide Bridge 

right here in Del Rio, Texas, is lastly being reopened after that surge of 

migrants pressured its closure. The camp of principally Haitian nationals has been 

cleared out, however the regular stream of migration has proven no indicators of 

slowing down. 

Regardless of the day, the time, or the climate, they don’t cease coming. This 

household unit from Venezuela is crossing into Del Rio, Texas. They’re one in all 

the untold numbers who try and enter the U.S. each single day. 

The picture is a stark distinction to the latest surge of 1000’s who streamed 

throughout the Rio Grande only one week in the past. 

MAYOR BRUNO LOZANO (D), DEL RIO, TEXAS:  I can let you know the humanitarian 

efforts have been — it is simply one thing that I’ve by no means seen on this scale 

earlier than. 

PAUL:  However these efforts have drawn criticism after photographs surfaced this 

week proven border patrol, horse patrols clashing with migrants. 

MAYORKAS:  We all know that these photographs painfully conjured up the worst 

parts of our nation’s ongoing battle in opposition to systemic racism. 

PAUL:  The Biden administration has suspended using power patrols in 

the Del Rio sector and an investigation is underway. 

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PAUL (on digicam): After this newest spherical, there might be one more 

migrant caravan heading north. Sources right here on the bottom in Texas inform us 

they’re monitoring a gaggle of 20,000 individuals who simply crossed the southern 

border of Mexico they usually’re heading north and will land anyplace right here 

alongside the U.S.-Mexico border inside the subsequent month — Chris. 

WALLACE:  Jeff Paul reporting from our southern border — Jeff, thanks. 

And becoming a member of us now right here in studio is the Secretary of Homeland Safety, 

Alejandro Mayorkas. 

Welcome again, sir, to “FOX Information Sunday.” 

ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY:  Thanks very a lot for 

having me. 

WALLACE:  I need to begin with these 30,000 Haitian migrants who got here 

throughout the border into Del Rio, Texas, since September ninth, as you say. You 

say that 12,400 can have their instances heard by an immigration choose and 

one other 5,000 are being processed by your division. 

Mr. Secretary, of these 17,400, what number of have been launched into the U.S. 

and what number of extra probably might be launched into the U.S.? 

MAYORKAS:  So, Chris, about 3,000 are literally in detention, and we make 

these detention determinations in the perfect curiosity of the American public. 

Others are in immigration courtroom proceedings. They’re monitored by Oscar. 

We impose circumstances upon them so we be in contact with them and guarantee 

their look in courtroom, because the regulation requires. 

WALLACE:  However to reply my query instantly, of the 17,400 that weren’t 

deported again or did not return on their very own to Mexico, what number of of them 

both — properly, first, what number of have been launched into the U.S.? 

MAYORKAS:  They’re launched on circumstances.

WALLACE: Sure.

MAYORKAS: Roughly, I feel it is about 10,000 or so, 12,000. 

WALLACE:  Have been launched? 

MAYORKAS:  Sure. 

WALLACE:  And of the 5,000 which are nonetheless in course of? 

MAYORKAS:  We are going to make determinations whether or not they are going to be returned to 

Haiti primarily based on our public well being and public curiosity authorities. 

WALLACE:  So, are we speaking a couple of whole of 12,000 or may it’s even 

larger? 

MAYORKAS:  It may — it might be even larger. The quantity which are 

returned might be even larger. What we do is we comply with the regulation as Congress 

has handed it. 

WALLACE:  However let’s drill down on greater than 12,000 migrants who you say 

that you will hold surveillance over however they’re being launched 

into this nation. 

MAYORKAS:  Chris, that is what the regulation requires. 

WALLACE:  I perceive. 

MAYORKAS:  If, actually, somebody will not be expelled underneath the general public well being 

authority of the Facilities for Illness Management, then they’re positioned in 

immigration enforcement proceedings. They’ve a chance to make their 

declare for reduction to a choose because the regulation requires. 

WALLACE:  I perceive all of that.

However let’s discuss what it should occur to these 12,000. Elimination 

proceedings, together with asylum instances, can take anyplace from six months to 

a number of years, and 44 %, in accordance with the Division of Justice, 44 

% of those that are launched into custody — from custody — miss 

their courtroom hearings. 

Simply as a matter of actuality, will not lots of these 1000’s of individuals find yourself 

settling right here in the USA, a few of them completely? 

MAYORKAS:  Chris, we’ve got enforcement pointers in place that present that 

people who’re latest border crossers who don’t present up for his or her 

hearings are enforcement priorities, and can be eliminated. And that’s one 

of our — 

WALLACE:  And do you take away all of them or a few of them disappear into the 

nation? 

MAYORKAS:  Properly, we — it’s our intention to take away them, that’s what our 

insurance policies are, and we deploy our enforcement assets in accordance with sure 

priorities to make sure the protection and safety of the American folks. 

WALLACE:  However, sir, there are greater than 11 million folks on this nation 

illegally. Clearly, regardless of your finest efforts, tens of millions of individuals find yourself in 

this nation and do not — simply disappear. 

MAYORKAS:  Chris, 11 million folks on this nation with out lawful presence 

is a compelling motive why there may be unanimity about the truth that our 

immigration system is damaged and legislative reform is required. 

WALLACE:  Okay. In line with inner paperwork, your division is now 

monitoring much more folks, together with Haitians, who’re on their manner up 

from South America, Central America, to cross the border into this nation. 

I need to put up the numbers: 20,000 Haitians in Columbia, 3,000 in Peru, 

and 1,500 in Panama. 

In Could, the Biden administration prolonged non permanent protected standing for 

the 150,000 Haitians already dwelling within the U.S. and now as you’ve got mentioned, you 

have launched one other greater than 12,000 into the nation. 

Our subsequent visitor, Texas Governor Abbott, traveled to Del Rio, to the location of 

that bridge and the 15,000 folks huddled underneath the bridge this week, and 

here is what he needed to say, have a look. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. GREG ABBOTT (R), TEXAS:  When you’ve got an administration that has 

deserted any pretense of securing the border and securing our sovereignty, 

you see the onrush of individuals like what we noticed strolling throughout this dam that 

is correct behind me. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE:  Hasn’t this administration created a magnet? Have not you given 

Haitians, and 1,000,000 extra immigrants will you’ve got an encounter with 

since Joe Biden got here into workplace, have not you given them a motive to 

imagine there is a cheap likelihood if they arrive into this nation, they’re going to 

find yourself being launched into the nation and have months or maybe years to 

keep right here? 

MAYORKAS:  Chris, that is nothing new. We have seen one of these irregular 

migration many, many occasions all through the years. I do not know if Governor 

Abbott mentioned the identical factor in 2019 when there have been greater than 1,000,000 

folks encountered on the southern border. 

(CROSSTALK)

WALLACE:  It has gotten worse. The statistics of your personal division present 

that the flood of individuals coming illegally throughout the border has gotten 

worse underneath the Biden demonstration. 

MAYORKAS:  So, I would not name it a flood, if I’ll. 

WALLACE:  What would you name it? 

MAYORKAS:  However we — we’ve got seen massive numbers of people encountered 

at our border making a declare for asylum, for humanitarian reduction, which is 

a statute, which is a regulation of the USA that people could make a 

declare, a worry of persecution by motive of their membership in a selected 

social group. That is what the regulation gives. 

This — we’re actually seeing a big quantity right here on this 12 months, however in 

2019, we noticed a big quantity. In 2014, in 2010. That is nothing new. 

It spans many, a few years. It spans totally different administrations of each 

events, and it speaks to the necessity for legislative reform. 

WALLACE:  However I need to get to this query about asylum-seekers having to 

come over in a minute. However I need to discuss first since you say, properly, 

nothing has modified. You had — I imply, I feel what was so dramatic about 

these final two weeks is that, sure, there’s a trickle of individuals to return 

throughout, however to see 30,000 folks in 17 days come throughout the border into one 

location and be hiding underneath that — huddling underneath that bridge, you say 

30,000 folks walked throughout that dam into Del Rio within the final 17 days. 

Query, why did not you cease them? 

MAYORKAS:  Oh. So, we encountered them on the border. That is the place we 

encountered them, Chris. And you realize what? We noticed certainly a lot of 

folks cross at one explicit a part of the border in a brief interval of 

time. 

And what did we do? We surged our assets, we surged our personnel and —

(CROSSTALK)

WALLACE:  Why did not — why did not you cease them from coming into the 

nation? 

MAYORKAS:  We — we did. We encountered them, they gathered — they 

assembled in that one location in Del Rio, Texas, and we utilized the legal guidelines. 

We utilized the general public well being regulation underneath the CDC’s authority, and we utilized 

immigration regulation. 

WALLACE:  My query is why did you permit them within the nation within the first 

place? Why did not you construct — forgive me, a wall or a fence to cease them 

from strolling — this flood of individuals coming throughout the dam, it appears to be like like a 

freeway that enables them to cross the Rio Grande. 

MAYORKAS:  It’s the coverage of this administration. We don’t agree with 

the constructing of the wall. The regulation gives that people could make a 

declare for humanitarian reduction. That’s truly one in all our proudest 

traditions. 

WALLACE:  Of the 30,000 Haitians who got here throughout the border into Del Rio, 

what number of did your division check for COVID? 

MAYORKAS:  So we’ve got strict COVID testing protocols that we apply throughout 

the board. We check, isolate, and quarantine unaccompanied kids. We work 

with nonprofit organizations to check households. 

Those that are in ICE custody are examined, remoted, and quarantine. These 

who’re expelled underneath the Title 42 Public Well being Authority are returned 

instantly. They aren’t positioned in immigration courtroom proceedings, and 

these we don’t check, as a result of they’re returned instantly. 

WALLACE:  However your personal departments inspector common mentioned that your testing 

coverage — and the failure to check lots of people wound up on this nation 

— that you simply depend on native or state officers and lots of people do not get 

examined has put communities on this nation in danger. 

MAYORKAS:  We concurred with these suggestions, we made enhancements. 

That can be nothing new. That’s precisely why we’ve got an impartial assessment 

of our operations, to see the place we will make enhancements, the place we will 

strengthen our processes, and that’s precisely what we did right here. 

WALLACE:  A few extra questions I need to get into with you. 

Your division is now investigating the Border Patrol for these officers 

on horseback who have been on the border attempting to maintain Haitians from coming 

throughout the border. 

Right here is Senator Lindsey Graham speaking about that. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC):  I feel probably the most inhumane factor happening proper 

now in America is that the women and men of the Border Patrol have been 

fully deserted, demagogue, scapegoat, and handled like filth by 

elected officers and the Democratic Social gathering and this administration. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE:  I do know you’ve got received an investigation happening so I am not going to 

ask about what they did. What I’m going to ask you is who ordered these 

patrol brokers on horseback to go to the border, and what have been they supposed 

to do? 

MAYORKAS:  Chris, I might wish to not discuss what they have been speculated to do 

as a result of that additionally touches upon the investigation that’s ongoing, what our 

insurance policies and coaching required, and whether or not or not these particular person.

(CROSSTALK)

MAYORKAS:  However the horse patrol is one thing the Border Patrol staff 

as a result of horses can traverse, they will cowl terrain that may not 

in any other case be coated. 

WALLACE:  I perceive, however they weren’t there, they have been on the border to 

block the Haitians from coming throughout. 

MAYORKAS:  W use the Border Patrol, the horse patrol, to evaluate the 

state of affairs and fairly often to assist folks in misery. Whether or not these 

particular person Border Patrol brokers on horseback complied with our insurance policies and 

coaching, or whether or not they didn’t, is the topic of an investigation. And 

that investigation is impartial, and the end result can be decided by 

the details and nothing extra. 

WALLACE:  Lastly, you talked earlier about the truth that permitting folks 

to return into this nation to make a declare of asylum is the regulation. However actually 

— and you realize this properly, sir — greater than a month in the past, the Supreme Courtroom 

overruled the concept this administration had unilaterally determined to 

rescind President Trump — former President Trump’s “stay in Mexico” 

coverage, the folks needed to wait in Mexico whereas making their declare of 

asylum. They made that ruling greater than a month in the past. 

Why have you ever didn’t adjust to the Supreme Courtroom’s ruling to reinstate 

“stay in Mexico”? 

MAYORKAS:  So, it’s a district courtroom ruling. 

WALLACE:  No, no, a Supreme Courtroom ruling. 

MAYORKAS:  Properly, the Supreme Courtroom made a willpower on the injunction, 

however we will discuss in regards to the regulation one other time. 

However let me say this, that we’re complying with the courtroom’s order. We do 

have an obligation to implement the migrant safety protocols, and we 

are negotiating with Mexico, as a result of these protocols require a bilateral 

settlement. 

And so, we’re negotiating with Mexico, as we’re required to do underneath the 

courtroom’s order. 

WALLACE:  Mr. Secretary, thanks. Thanks in your time. Thanks for taking 

trip throughout these very busy days to talk with us, sir. 

MAYORKAS:  Thanks a lot for having me.

WALLACE:  Up subsequent, we’ll get response from Texas Governor Greg Abbott, 

who’s on the entrance line of the disaster on our southern border. 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WALLACE:  On the peak of the migrant disaster in Del Rio, our subsequent visitor 

wrote to President Biden searching for an emergency declaration for his state.

Becoming a member of us now from Austin, Texas Governor Greg Abbott.

Governor, welcome again to FOX NEWS SUNDAY.

GOV. GREG ABBOTT (R-TX): Thanks, Chris.

WALLACE:  You simply heard my dialog with Secretary Mayorkas. Your 

response?

ABBOTT:  Pay attention, Secretary Mayorkas and even, I might be candid, even 

President Biden, they’re in dereliction of responsibility.

Pay attention, and he talked in regards to the legal guidelines they have been attempting to use. The United 

States Structure itself requires that the president and that the federal 

authorities safe the sovereignty of the USA of America, 

together with the states in the USA of America, and the Biden 

administration has deserted any pretense of securing the sovereignty of 

both Texas or the USA by having these open border insurance policies that 

you so properly articulated. They’ve created a magnet that led to those 

large teams of Haitians, in addition to the opposite teams, which are coming 

right here for one motive, and that is as a result of they’ve despatched a message and a 

sign to your entire world that they don’t seem to be going to safe the border, 

they are going to permit them throughout.

WALLACE:  Proper.

ABBOTT:  You talked to Secretary Mayorkas, repeatedly asking him why they 

didn’t cease the Haitians from coming throughout the board in first place. 

Chris, everybody knew, together with the Biden administration, the Haitians had 

gathered on the Mexican aspect of the border earlier than they crossed and the 

Biden administration did nothing to cease these Haitians who had gathered in 

masse in Mexico from coming throughout the board.

WALLACE:  So — so, Governor, let me ask you about what you are attempting to 

do. You’ve gotten arrange what you name Operation Lone Star in Texas. And let’s 

check out among the measures.

The Texas legislature has accredited nearly $3 billion for border safety, 

together with constructing a wall. You’ve got surged 1000’s of state personnel, 

together with Nationwide Guard, to work with native regulation enforcement.

Governor, are you in impact taking on immigration coverage for the state of 

Texas?

ABBOTT:  I provides you with the phrases of Border Patrol brokers themselves in 

Del Rio once they mentioned that the surge of migrants throughout the border was 

stopped solely when the Texas Division of Public Security and the Nationwide 

Guard confirmed as much as present a metal barrier to forestall the migrants from 

coming throughout. As quickly because the Nationwide Guard and the Texas Division of 

Public Security confirmed up, actually with a whole lot if not 1000’s of 

automobiles, that’s when the unlawful migration stopped. That is precisely what 

the Biden administration may do in the event that they needed to however, Chris, it is the 

form of factor that Texas goes to need to proceed to do along with 

the opposite insurance policies that you simply didn’t announce, and that’s, versus 

catch and launch, Texas has imposed a coverage the place we’re going to arrest 

and jail people who find themselves coming throughout the border for trespassing into areas 

into the state of Texas.

WALLACE:  Properly, let me ask you, as a result of in your first reply you mentioned that 

underneath the Structure the president has a accountability to guard the 

sovereignty of this nation. And I do know you are a strict constitutionalist.

However the Structure is fairly clear, and so has the Supreme Courtroom in 

repeated rulings, that it’s the federal authorities, whether or not it does it or 

not, it is the federal authorities that has the accountability for 

immigration legal guidelines. And, actually, the U.S. legal professional common, Merrick Garland, 

has written to you and threatened to sue, arguing that you simply and your state 

are overstepping your authority.

ABBOTT:  As a result of the Biden administration is refusing to do its responsibility to 

implement the legal guidelines of the USA, they’ve left Texas in no place 

aside from for us to step up and do what we’ve got to do. You already know, you 

talked about the folks in Del Rio and the way in which that Del Rio was overrun by a 

inhabitants about the identical measurement of Del Rio that had been coming throughout the 

border illegally. 

As governor, I am not going to let that occur. I’m going to step up and do 

no matter I’ve to do to be sure that I shield the folks of Del Rio, as 

properly as all these different communities within the state of Texas that the Biden 

administration is ignoring. The folks in south Texas, they’re offended about 

the Biden administration for ignoring them, for abetting them. The Biden 

administration cares much more about people who find themselves not on this nation than 

he does of the folks, Americans who reside on this nation. And I am 

going to step up and assist the residents of the USA of America.

WALLACE:  Quite a few folks have been — Democrats particularly — have 

expressed outrage over these Border Patrol officers on horseback who have been 

on the border and appeared to be attempting to dam Haitians, fairly 

aggressively, from coming throughout the border.

Right here was President Biden on all of that this week.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  It was horrible what to see — 

as you noticed to see folks handled like they did, horses practically working them 

over and folks being strapped. It is outrageous. I promise you, these 

folks can pay. They are going to be — an investigation underway now and there 

can be penalties.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE:  Governor, even if you happen to assume that these officers are being 

scapegoated, are you in any respect troubled by the pictures of those officers on 

horseback very aggressively pushing again on the Haitian immigrants coming 

throughout?

ABBOTT:  A number of fast factors. First, they would not have been in that 

state of affairs had the Biden administration implement the immigration legal guidelines and 

secured the border within the first place. Second, as you realize, Chris, the 

one who took these footage mentioned that the characterization that the 

Democrats have made in regards to the Border Patrol utilizing them as whips, whipping 

individuals who have been coming throughout the border is fake. They have been merely 

maneuvering horses.

However the very last thing I’ll let you know is what the president mentioned, going after 

the Border Patrol, who have been risking their lives and dealing so exhausting to attempt 

to safe the border, if he takes any motion in opposition to them in any way, I 

have labored side-by-side with these Border Patrol brokers. I need them to 

know one thing. If they’re susceptible to shedding their job at (ph) a president 

who’s abandoning his responsibility to safe the border, you’ve got a job within the 

state of Texas. I’ll rent you to assist Texas safe our border.

WALLACE:  Governor, within the time we’ve got left, I need to ask you about two 

different questions.

You signed a regulation in Could that bans abortion after a fetal heartbeat might be 

detected, round six weeks. And there’s no exception and that regulation for 

both rape or incest.

This is what you mentioned whenever you signed the regulation.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ABBOTT:  Aim primary within the state of Texas is to remove rape in order that 

no girl, no particular person can be a sufferer of rape.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE:  Now, in 2019, which is the final 12 months that we’ve got numbers for, 

nearly 15,000 instances of rape have been reported in your state of Texas, and 

nearly everybody says that that is a extreme undercount, there are much more 

instances that simply aren’t reported.

Is it cheap to say to any person who’s the sufferer of rape and may not 

perceive that they’re pregnant, you realize, till six weeks, properly, do not 

fear about it as a result of we’ll remove rape as an issue within the 

state of Texas?

ABBOTT:  Properly, there’s a number of issues I’ve to say in reply to this. However 

the very first thing, clearly, is that survivors of sexual assault, they 

deserve assist, care, and compassion. And Texas is stepping as much as make 

positive that we offer that by signing a regulation and creating within the governor’s 

workplace a sexual assault survivors process power.

However individually from that, Chris, I received to level out in regards to the ways in which I 

have fought to go to arrest and apprehend and attempt to remove rape. I 

sought the loss of life penalty for repeat rapists —

WALLACE:  However — however — however, Governor — Governor, excuse — Governor, 

excuse me, as a result of we’re working out of time. There have been greater than 15,000 

rapes in 2019 whenever you have been governor. Let me simply ask this query, a 

state consultant, Republican state consultant is — says that he is 

going to supply a brand new measure that might restore the exception to the Texas 

abortion regulation for victims of rape and incest.

If that got here to your desk, will you signal it or not?

ABBOTT:  Properly, we have to return, Chris, to what the rationale was why the 

regulation was handed within the first place. And the objective is to guard the lives of 

each baby with a heartbeat. And so we’re — we’re working to realize that 

objective.

WALLACE:  Together with — together with a baby — together with —

ABBOTT:  Chris — I — I received to level this out, Chris, and that’s what 

this — this —

WALLACE:  Together with a baby of a rape — of a rape?

ABBOTT:  This — this objective is per what the USA 

Supreme Courtroom has written, and that’s states have the power to verify 

that we shield the well being and security of each the mom and the kid. And 

that is what we’re searching for to do right here.

And I’ve so as to add this, and that’s, Texas simply supplied greater than $100 

million in funding for being pregnant facilities throughout the state of Texas to assist 

those that need to be sure that they may (ph) have the ability to carry a baby 

however — 

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: However so simply — simply to lock this down, are 

you saying, sir — I do not imply to interrupt, however are you saying that you simply 

won’t signal an exception for rape and incest?

ABBOTT: Properly, first, I’ve received to let you know, Chris, you are — you are making a 

hypothetical that’s not going to occur as a result of that invoice will not be going to 

attain my desk. However, second, once more, the objective is to guard the life of each 

baby with a heartbeat. 

WALLACE: OK.

Let me — lastly, this week, former President Trump despatched you an open 

letter asking for an audit of the 2020 presidential election within the state 

of Texas, which, we should always notice, he gained by about 600,000 votes. Inside 

hours, the secretary of state of Texas, an workplace that you simply appoint, agreed 

and has ordered audits in 4 of Texas’ largest counties. 

A few questions. One, is not it only a horrible waste of taxpayer 

cash to have an audit in a state that everyone says went effective and that 

President Trump gained by 600,000 votes, and are not you contributing to this 

undermining confidence in our election course of?

ABBOTT: I’ve received to make a number of factors about this. 

One, the — the context right here, and that’s, there are audits of each side 

of presidency. Now we have a state auditor. There is a federal auditor for the 

manner that authorities operations work. Companies which are public corporations 

are topic to an annual audit. Why can we audit every thing on this world, 

however folks raised their palms in concern once we audit elections, which is 

basic to our democracy? 

Second level, now — and that’s that this — these audits that the state 

of Texas is doing, they really started months in the past as a result of the secretary of 

state of Texas has an obligation to be sure that we do conduct audits in 

the state of Texas they usually need to be executed in a away earlier than any proof 

about it will be a restricted, which might be subsequent September.

WALLACE: OK.

ABBOTT: And so these audits have been already underway. 

The final level is that this, and that’s, Donald Trump gained the state of Texas. 

We all know whatever the consequence of those audits, Donald Trump will nonetheless 

have gained the state of Texas. 

Nonetheless, we do have each single 12 months, together with within the 2020 elections, 

allegations of unlawful voting in locations within the state of Texas. 

ABBOTT: I — I — OK.

ABBOT: Now we have a accountability to insure the integrity and confidence in 

the elections within the state of Texas.

WALLACE: I’d merely level out — I’d merely level out, on Thursday, 

he ordered — he requested for the audit and abruptly there have been new audits 

introduced by the — in 4 counties by the secretary of state’s workplace 

inside hours of that on Thursday.

Governor Abbott, thanks. Thanks for speaking with us at the moment. All the time good 

to speak with you. And we’ll be watching to see what occurs subsequent on the 

border. 

ABBOTT: Thanks.

WALLACE: Arising, we’ll herald our Sunday group to debate immigration 

and the rollout of recent COVID booster pictures. Who ought to get them? 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WALLACE: Arising, the CDC director now recommends tens of millions of vaccinated 

People get a booster shot. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I will be getting my booster shot 

— I — I — it is exhausting to acknowledge I am over 65, however I will be getting my 

booster shot. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: We’ll ask our Sunday panel whether or not public well being officers are 

following the science, subsequent. 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. MICHAEL MCCAUL (R-TX): They received phrase, you realize, of the truth that, you 

know, with the Biden administration we’ve got an open border coverage, come on 

in.

REP. MAXINE WATERS (D-CA): And I am not simply sad with the cowboys who 

have been working down Haitians and utilizing their reins to with them. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: President Biden’s immigration coverage getting hammered by members 

of Congress on each the correct and left. 

And it is time now for our Sunday group. 

Man Benson of Fox Information Radio. Catherine Lucey, who covers the White Home 

for “The Wall Avenue Journal,” and Fox Information political analyst Juan 

Williams. 

Catherine, how nervous is the Biden White Home in regards to the state of affairs of the 

border, which is dangerous, and significantly these final two weeks appear to be 

getting worse, how nervous are they in regards to the political fallout, and do 

they’ve any solutions? 

CATHERINE LUCEY, “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL”: Properly, Chris, I imply they’re 

coming underneath heavy criticism, as we simply noticed, from each events. 

Republicans arguing that insurance policies are too permissive, Democrats annoyed 

in regards to the evacuation flights, and the pictures of those brokers on the border. 

You noticed Secretary Mayorkas earlier on this program, you realize, they’re 

attempting to argue that they’re dealing with it, that they’re transferring ahead. 

However actually President Biden, on Friday, you realize, mentioned that he takes 

accountability for the state of affairs on the border. He spoke in regards to the photographs 

of the brokers being outrageous. I feel the large factor to consider as we 

look ahead right here is that these pressures aren’t going to go away and that 

they will proceed to cope with this. They do not have loads of 

political assist or allies actually on the left or the correct, proper now. And 

for the president, this second is de facto testing his promise of a extra 

humane immigration coverage. 

WALLACE: Man, the numbers are gorgeous. Greater than 1 million encounters with 

folks coming over the border since Joe Biden took workplace. And in 17 days, 

30,000 Haitians coming throughout the border simply in Del Rio, Texas. 

GUY BENSON, TOWNHALL.COM AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: And this week your 

visitors, Secretary Mayorkas, testified that the border is safe. These have been 

his phrases, which rang fully hole. Frankly, it is form of an insulting 

assertion for him to make, however that is the speaking level from an 

administration that also will not name this a disaster. The north of 1 million 

encounters that you simply cited, Chris, doesn’t even embrace the tens of 

1000’s of recognized got-aways, so referred to as, every month.

And I discovered it very attention-grabbing, in listening to that trade that you simply had 

with the secretary earlier, you requested him in regards to the brokers on horseback who 

I feel have been smeared with this whipping allegation that’s not 

supported by the proof. He mentioned he did not need to get into it. He 

would not say in the event that they even violated any protocol or coaching pending the 

investigation. However his boss, the president, this week, within the sound chunk 

that you simply performed, mentioned that they may pay for the horrifying conduct. So 

that is a really totally different reply, a lot much less circumspect, than the reply you 

received from the secretary this morning. 

WALLACE: Juan, I need to discuss — about this difficulty that — that 

Catherine raised about Biden wanting a coverage that is extra humane. Is it 

humane? I do know you have been no fan of President Trump’s immigration coverage, however 

is it humane to create a coverage that enables — that — that creates magnets 

in order that you find yourself with 30,000 folks crossing the border in Del Rio, 

Texas, and huddling underneath that bridge in squalid circumstances?

JUAN WILLIAMS, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Properly, Chris, I do not assume that 

it is the case that President Biden has created a magnet along with his 

immigration coverage. I feel that it is clearly the case that he’s — his 

tone is way totally different than the protest form of inhumane rhetoric we heard 

from President Trump, ripping households aside and the like and speaking about 

a wall. However to Democrats and  Republicans, I feel everybody will let you know 

that, actually, Biden’s insurance policies on immigration are far nearer to Trump’s in 

phrases of the aggressive policing, the excessive variety of people who find themselves 

deported, who’re put out then actually the Democrats are snug 

with. We noticed that this week. That is why you are saying either side are 

vital of Biden’s insurance policies. 

However, once more, bear in mind, we noticed surges earlier to this, earlier to Biden. 

Proper now the Haitians are fleeing determined conditions. A few of it form of 

the worldwide financial consequence of COVID and the — the pure disaster 

that is hit Haiti. However all of that’s to say that you’ve got an migrant 

state of affairs the place on this nation recognized individuals who have legit instances for 

asylum, people who find themselves determined and fleeing violence or disaster, are 

getting turned again, in lots of instances, and, you realize, not like Trump, the system 

will not be being starved, so that they’re being processed after which folks say you 

have a disaster. 

WALLACE: Proper.

WILLIAMS: Properly, the actual fact is, once more, that these folks, underneath regulation, must be 

given their course of. Congress ought to act in the event that they need to change the regulation. 

WALLACE: All proper, let’s flip, within the time we’ve got left on this phase, 

to a different massive story, and that was the ultimate approval for Pfizer vaccines 

for sure teams of individuals beginning straight away after six months. 

Right here was President Biden on all of that this week. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The vast majority of People, who 

have been absolutely vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, at the moment are capable of obtain a 

booster shot six months after they’ve obtained their second shot. Six 

months after you obtain the second shot, you are eligible. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: Catherine, there actually have been some bumps within the street. First the 

president mentioned it will begin on September twentieth. He mentioned it will be for 

everyone who had been vaccinated. It has been delayed. It has been 

constricted. 

Does the Biden White Home assume that, in the long run, of us are going to 

neglect all of these bumps and simply be blissful they will get one other booster? 

LUCEY: That is the query, proper, Chris? I imply we all know from polling that 

booster pictures are broadly fashionable with vaccinated People, however we additionally 

have heard in our reporting from some administration officers involved 

that this back-and-forth and the form of shifting message, you realize, may 

create confusion amongst People. And in order that’s an actual difficulty. And that has 

opened them as much as some criticism. 

Clearly, you realize, the president, you realize, earlier suggesting that this 

could be extra broadly obtainable. The White Home says that they all the time attempt 

to clarify that they’d await the ultimate, you realize, scientific 

ruling. However this has raised questions on, you realize, whether or not he’s type 

of protecting his promise to comply with the science right here. 

WALLACE: All proper, panel, we’ve got to take a break right here. However, up subsequent, 

Democrats are engaged on a good deadline to keep away from a authorities shutdown 

and a default on our debt that would probably tank the economic system. Will 

they make the deadline?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You already know, folks, understandably 

— properly, you realize, it began off at 6 trillion, now it is 3.5 trillion, now 

it is — is it going to be 2.9, is it — it should be zero. Zero. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: President Biden attempting to minimize the price of his large social 

spending plan, and we’re again now with the panel. 

Juan, that is the brand new White Home line that they’ve rolled out. As a substitute 

of defending the $3.5 trillion tax and spending invoice, the brand new argument is, 

properly, it should be zero as a result of they are going to pay for it by elevating 

taxes. However — however whether or not you pay for it by taxes or by borrowing, it is 

nonetheless a $3.5 trillion tax and spending invoice remains to be it $3.5 trillion tax 

and spending invoice. 

WILLIAMS: Sure, however, after all, they’re speaking, Chris, by way of the debt 

and the deficit and it would not, actually, elevate the debt or the deficit. You 

know, you look again — clearly, the Democrats are, on the Trump years, 

and also you noticed a $7 trillion hike by way of debt and deficit as a result of it 

wasn’t paid for. And the consequence was that, you realize, we’ve got an 

escalating debt and deficit that may be a concern to each economist within the 

world. 

Proper now, what the Biden individuals are saying is, you possibly can elevate the company 

tax, I feel it is from 21 now to 25. That is lower than it has been for the 

final 30 years. And you’ll elevate taxes on individuals who make greater than 

400,000. And at the moment of excessive financial inequity, that is highly regarded 

with the American folks. So I do not assume that — I do not assume that is — 

you possibly can argue about zero, however you possibly can’t argue that it has some affect on 

the debt. And that is the Biden level. 

WALLACE: Catherine, we should always level out, to start with, that on one other 

Sunday discuss present this morning, Speaker Nancy Pelosi mentioned that she expressed 

actual confidence that this week that the Home will move the $1.2 trillion 

bipartisan infrastructure plan. 

Now, President Biden, in your beat, the White Home, met with all of the 

factions within the Democratic Social gathering, Home and Senate, liberals and — and 

moderates, attempting to work each on bipartisan infrastructure and in addition on 

this — sure, I am not going to name it a zero tax and spending invoice, however the 

$3.5 trillion tax and spending invoice. 

How assured are they? Are they as assured as Nancy Pelosi they are going 

to get the infrastructure invoice by this week and the $3.5 trillion quickly 

to comply with? 

LUCEY: Properly, actually it is crunch time for all of this. I imply that is 

going to be an enormous week for the president’s agenda and, you realize, 

whether or not his home plans can transfer ahead. 

The White Home is privately nonetheless, you realize, saying they’re optimistic. 

They be ok with the way in which his talks went final week. He met, clearly, 

with the leaders, but additionally with key moderates and progressives. We all know 

that, you realize, he has been making clear that some flexibility on the 

total quantity and, you realize, when he met with moderates, he spoke about 

presumably — they mentioned whether or not this might go to lower than 3 trillion. 

So, they’re nonetheless negotiating. I imply this isn’t executed but. However they’re –

– they’re happy that issues are nonetheless transferring, that they’re nonetheless 

speaking. Clearly Pelosi is exposing (INAUDIBLE) confidence.

However this — there are nonetheless clear divides. There are nonetheless coverage divides 

that aren’t resolved. This can be a very heavy raise to attempting and do all of 

these items this week. And we’ll see, it is actually going to be a 

check of the president’s, you realize, negotiating and managing abilities inside 

his get together. He ran as somebody who was a veteran lawmaker who may actually 

handle powerful conditions like this. So we’ll see how he does. 

WALLACE: You already know, as massive as these two payments are, that is not the true 

deadline this week. The fast deadline is at 12:01 a.m. on Friday 

morning, the U.S. federal authorities runs out of cash until they at the least 

move a seamless decision to maintain it funded and Democrats have determined 

to hyperlink the federal government funding invoice with one other measure that might elevate 

the debt restrict as a result of the federal government is at risk of defaulting on its 

debt, in all probability someday in mid-to-late October. 

The Senate Republican chief, Mitch McConnell, has made it fairly clear he 

don’t love this concept. Have a look. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY): If Washington Democrats need to jam by 

trillions of {dollars} in reckless spending all by themselves, they will elevate 

the debt restrict all by themselves. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: Man, it might be good politics, however given the truth that a lot of the 

debt — the debt restrict could be raised to cope with was incurred underneath 

President Trump, is not it irresponsible for Mitch McConnell to say, ah, you 

know, we’re wiping our palms of elevating the debt restrict? 

BENSON: Properly, it is a political technique, Chris, in a political city that’s 

at the moment fully run by the opposite get together, the Democratic Social gathering. Far be 

it for me to query the technique and the ways of Mitch McConnell. 

Typically, I’d say he has thought of these items more durable and longer 

than I’ve, or most individuals have. And he is a fairly good and shrewd 

tactician. 

I’d say, total, I feel these issues are going to occur. The 

authorities’s going to be funded. The debt ceiling goes to be raised. 

The Democrats can do these issues on their very own in the event that they select to prioritize 

them. 

I am extra to see the sequencing and the whole greenback quantity on 

the infrastructure invoice that is bipartisan. When that will get voted on, does it 

come first, does it come second. After which on reconciliation, does that high 

line quantity come down far sufficient to assuage the moderates the place they get 

one thing throughout the end line? My suspicion is, understanding Nancy Pelosi’s 

observe document of whipping votes, my suspicion is they may get there. I 

do not know the place “there” is, what precisely it should appear to be, however I’m 

much less assured in that prediction than I used to be even a number of weeks in the past as a result of 

the fault traces very a lot exist and it looks like Pelosi acknowledges this 

factor may collapse, so she arrange this strain cooker of every week with 

every thing on the desk this coming week with a giant high-stakes assembly 

tomorrow amongst Home Democrats within the night. It will likely be fascinating to 

watch.

And I feel the McConnell place is, Republicans ought to do nothing to 

throw a lifeline to the Democrats as long as they’re form of at warfare, or at 

least in battle with each other. 

WALLACE: Juan, you realize, I need to decide up on one thing that Man mentioned. You 

would have gone broke a very long time in the past betting in opposition to Mitch McConnell and 

his mastery of the method. Whether or not you assume it is honest or not, in the long run, 

will Democrats have to boost the debt ceiling on their very own? 

WILLIAMS: It appears to be like that manner, Chris, as a result of I feel McConnell needs 

leverage to run a political advert blaming the Democrats and making them into 

massive spenders. By the way in which, notice, he has no calls for as to, oh, you must do 

this or try this so Republicans can cooperate and the federal government can 

proceed to operate. I feel that is an instance the place Republicans know, 

you realize, look, we have executed this prior to now for different presidents, 

Republicans and Democrats. They know what’s proper. However proper now they’re 

all in regards to the politics. 

WALLACE: What a — what a tremendous factor, the politics in Washington, D.C. 

And it says one thing to you of us that we’re so excited by this strain 

cooker of price range payments in Congress this week. 

Thanks, panel. See you subsequent Sunday. 

Up subsequent, our “Energy Participant of the Week,” the Virginia sheriff’s officer 

attempting to avoid wasting the historic floor the place his ancestor earned our nation’s 

highest army honor. 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WALLACE: There are American battlefields synonymous with heroism, after which 

there are battlefields that could be in the future if we’re capable of protect them 

and inform their tales. 

This is our “Energy Participant of the Week.” 

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

LT. DAMON RADCLIFFE, YORK-POQUOSON SHERIFF’S OFFICE: It is part of 

American historical past. It is part of that household historical past. 

How are you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good. How are you?

WALLACE: Sheriff Lieutenant Damon Radcliffe on the significance of preserving 

Civil Battle battlefields, like these fields outdoors of Richmond, Virginia, 

the place the Battle of Newmarket Heights was fought. Radcliffe’s great-great-

grandfather, Edward, is one in all 14 black union troopers who earned the Medal 

of Honor there. 

RADCLIFFE: You’ve gotten folks preventing to make their very own choices, make their 

personal decisions. It is essential that we proceed to be taught from historical past in order that 

we will proceed to develop as a rustic and are available collectively. 

WALLACE: It is a legacy Radcliffe first discovered about watching the film 

“Glory” as a child. 

RADCLIFFE: So, my grandfather, he defined to me that, you realize, we had a 

relative that fought within the Civil Battle. It was actually surreal to observe what 

they needed to undergo, how they saved urgent on no matter their 

therapy. 

WALLACE: Damon began researching his ancestor’s story. 

RADCLIFFE: Edward was a slave on the Hankins (ph) farm. He left the farm. 

He walks right down to Yorktown, the place he joins the — the union military.

That is the place all of it started.

WALLACE: And it turned out Edward fought in a area close to the place Damon is now 

a regulation enforcement officer. 

RADCLIFFE: And that is the place I’m at the moment. And I am strolling presumably the place he 

walked. 

WALLACE: The battle occurred at dawn it September of 1864, in thick 

fog described as a psychological of loss of life. Edward’s brigade was preventing to 

seize excessive floor when his commanding officer was shot.

RADCLIFFE: His white commanding officer had succumbed to his accidents from 

accomplice artillery. It was at that time that he led his battalion into 

the accomplice stronghold. 

WALLACE (on digicam): That should fill you with huge satisfaction. 

RADCLIFFE: Sure, it does. I imply it is — it is — it is a sense of bravery. 

It is a sense of braveness. In the event that they have been captured, then they have been both going 

to be returned to a state of slavery or killed. 

WALLACE (voice over): Radcliffe visited the battlefield not too long ago along with his 

brother, a Marine, one more Radcliffe in public service. There are 

traces of Edward’s story in doc, however not a lot. 

WALLACE (on digicam): The place is Edward’s Medal of Honor? 

RADCLIFFE: We do not know the place it’s at this level. 

WALLACE: No image? 

RADCLIFFE: No footage at the moment. However reminiscences will all the time proceed — 

proceed on. The story will all the time proceed on. That is what that is about. 

WALLACE (voice over): The U.S. loses about an acre of land like this each 

hour. Most drivers whizzing by the brand new Market Heights Battlefield do not 

know they’re passing a part of our nation’s heritage. 

Radcliffe is working with the American Battlefield Belief to alter that, 

a part of protecting religion along with his household’s historical past. 

RADCLIFFE: I hope that it helps folks understand what their households may 

have achieved and possibly they don’t seem to be trying in the correct locations and 

there are assets on the market for them to, you realize, analysis their 

households, see what their household historical past was about and see the place — the place it 

can presumably lead them. 

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WALLACE: 100 and seventy-nine thousand black males volunteered to 

combat within the union military, near 37,000 of them gave their lives. 

And that is it for at the moment. Have an excellent week and we’ll see you subsequent FOX NEWS 

SUNDAY.

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